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I transfered the Israeli Engineering corps into a seperate article. MathKnight 22:03, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

This picture is not an engineer, he is a sig (I think you Yanks say "commo guy" or something like that). There are some great pix of CEVs, but can we see if we can find a picture of a sapper doing something sapperish? Securiger 12:30, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Combathe has that capability and has been trained to do that. Sappers need to know this type of work to complete their mission.

Be that as it may, the guy is not a combat engineer. The picture is sourced from http://www.dix.army.mil/PAO/Post02/Nationwide/pg_5.htm and is captioned "Pfc. Raul Lugo of the 35th Signal Battalion in Juana Diaz, Puerto Rico, sets up communications cable." Even if he was an engineer, it's not a particularly good photo to illustrate engineer work. -- Securiger 08:44, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that field engineer redirects to the combat engineer article. Are these terms synonymous outside the US? Of the first 50 Google listings, only 3 or so seemed to point to combat brigades. The rest pointed to other areas of engineering. If no one has a reasonable objection, I will create a separate article for the broader term of field engineer, with a link pointing to combat engineer. If the term is used widely outside the US to mean combat engineer, more weight could be added to that effect. Thanks in advance for the input. Brien Clark 07:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Outside of the US, "field engineer" may have a military implication, but every usage I've ever heard of the term (qualifier: I am an American) has nothing to do with the military. A "field engineer" is an engineer who is involved with end-user applications of a company's products; the field engineer works with technology "in the field" rather than in the lab. To redirect "Field engineer" to "Combat engineering" is quite inappropriate. 69.226.218.90 19:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Field Engineer is the term used in many Commonwealth armies. The RE still use this term (though the public web page includes the "Combat Engineer" in brackets beside so outsiders will understand). Up until about 2003, the occupation in Canada was called Field Engineer, but it was renamed to Combat Engineer as part of an occupation restructure. --MCG (talk) 01:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that this article should put more emphasis on the infantry tactics we use every day. Im in Ramadi, Iraq right now, and we do the same things as infantry, conducting raids and even more, with demolitions. Overall, i agree with most that is on here, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.214.223.1 (talk) 16:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Well, I do hear that we are going back to 12B's soon, so there's hope yet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.117.201 (talk) 15:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was glad of the section distinguishing "military engineer" from "combat engineer", but I am puzzled by the inclusion of the link to the US Army Corps of Engineers on this rather than the former page. It looks like there are only 650 military people in the Corps, and aren't there more than 650 combat engineers in the US Army (IIRC, a battalion for every division)? I thought combat engineers were part of a different US Army branch but I don't know which. The article on sappers is helpful, but I still don't know if sappers = combat engineers or if sappers are only a subset. Straightening this out would help readers like myself. Boris B 21:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I was reading the US Army Corps of Engineers article and these engineers are not combat engineers. They seem to be civil engineers that build dams and buildings and other permanent structures. The link doesn't belong on this page.Azn Clayjar 19:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can see the confusion here, I was pretty confused when I first joined the military, but, Sappers are combat engineers that have completed the Sapper Leader Course, a military school said by many to be much harder than even Ranger school because not only do you need to be tough, you also need to be smart because of the demolitions involved. True Sappers are few and far between, and only an EXTREME minority of engineers even attempt Sapper school. Until an engineer completes the Sapper Leader Course, they are just a combat engineer. Hope this helps, SPC Anonymous, Combat Engineer

I prefer the term Sapper, even having not completed the Sapper Leader Course. Some way, some how we have to separate ourselves from our pogue Engineer counterparts. I don't know how long you've been in SPC Anonymous, but it'll really rub you the wrong way when you overhear some female calling herself a Combat Engineer. If you go to the HRC website you'll see that every Engineer MOS is broken down into categories. They have 21Z, 21B, and 21C listed as Combat Engineers. I take strong offense to that. 21Z's are our senior Sergeants, so it's understandable for them to be classified as such, but the fact that they threw 21Cs into that equation has really screwed their mindset up. They now think they're Combat Engineers, which is FAR from true. That's why I refer to myself and all of my men as Sappers so we're not mistaken as General, Electrical, Plumbing, or Bridge Engineers. Everyone wants to walk around with their chests poked out claiming they're "Engineers". Those are the ones that push for all of us to just be classified as Engineers. The only high speed/combat arms MOS within the entire Engineer Branch is the Combat Engineer. All others are posers, running around base calling Sapper cadence knowing they're General Engineers. Yes we are going back to 12B in FY11. I'm a big fan of the whole 11E idea. That way we're considered Infantry Engineers because of our Infantry and Demolitions based MOS. I'm tired of posers making us look like pogues. I'm tired of having to explain over and over that I'm not the kind of Engineer that builds FOBs and roads. The only way to get the respect we deserve will be through separating ourselves. SSG Anonymous, Combat Engineer aka Sapper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.55.96 (talk) 02:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The request to rename this article to Combat engineer has been carried out. If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Combat engineering → Combat engineer –

• The article's focus is on the occupation rather than the military subject, and the simpler title compares better with the related military occupations articles such as Pioneer (military) and sapper. Engini86 (talk) 04:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]