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*'''Support''' Cleaned it up, should be decent now. [[User:Teemu08|Teemu08]] ([[User talk:Teemu08|talk]]) 13:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

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August 22

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RD:Joe Grech (snooker player)

Article: Joe Grech (snooker player) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Joe Grech
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 1997 World Amateur Billiards champion and 21 times Maltese English Billiards Championship winner. Abishe (talk) 12:02, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD:Jeanne Robertson

Article: Jeanne Robertson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Jeanne Robertson, a highly accomplished woman (former Miss North Carolina, Toastmaster, humorist, Motivational Speaker, Athlete, list goes on) passed away recently, and I think she is accomplished enough to deserve a mention. EEBuchanan (talk) 05:27, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 21

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  • The world's highest elevation expressway, between Lhasa and Nagqu in Tibet, China, opens. The average elevation of the 295 kilometres (183 mi) expressway is more than 4,500 metres (14,800 ft) above sea level. (China Daily)

RD: Phil Valentine

Article: Phil Valentine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Anti-vaxxer dies from complications of .... guess what – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Preliminary diagnosis Subject entered cardipulmonary arrest due to inability to breathe, cough or move, resulting from acute paralytic toxicity and weeks of mechanical stress in prone position on non-resistant lungs, circulatory systems and overall neck area, complicating an atrophied diaphragm and society's normal antiviral response to COVID-related pneumonia. Manner, Natural. RD Readiness, Undetermined. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kalyan Singh

Article: Kalyan Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NTDV, Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Indian Politician . Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 20

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Wrestling News


RD: Tom T. Hall

Article: Tom T. Hall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Tennessean
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Standard disclaimer of some claims needing references. rawmustard (talk) 06:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chuck Close

Article: Chuck Close (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American photorealist painter. Article looks in good shape and well referenced. 2A00:23C5:5082:6101:5168:6B97:2327:A0C6 (talk) 17:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New Malaysian Prime Minister appointed

Article: 2020–2021 Malaysian political crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Ismail Sabri Yaakob (pictured) is appointed as the Prime Minister of Malaysia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ismail Sabri Yaakob (pictured) is appointed as the Prime Minister of Malaysia, replacing Muhyiddin Yassin, who had recently resigned.
Alternative blurb II: Ismail Sabri Yaakob (pictured) is sworn in as the Prime Minister of Malaysia, marking the UMNO's return to power after three years.
News source(s): Reuters, AP, DW, The Straits Times
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I'm a people that does not fluently speak and write English, but Ismail Sabri Yaakob has been appointed as Malaysian Prime Minister. Anyone can adding a new information about him, but the change of government is ITN/R. 36.77.95.182 (talk) 10:43, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The reporting by reliable sources is occurring today, so I would surmise it's just a matter of having the articles front-page worthy with the actual assumption of office a formality (cf. the Zambian election posting). rawmustard (talk) 13:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Bloody hell, they removed the video. --180.244.175.3 (talk) 11:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 19

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Business and economy

  • Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, 2020–2021 global chip shortage
    • Toyota reduces its production quota for next month by 40% due to the resurgence of COVID-19 in Asia severely impacting the company's supply chains, especially those involved in chip production. Up to this point, the company was one of the only major car manufacturers to avoid scaling back production during the pandemic. Volkswagen warns that it might also have to reduce its production quotas for similar reasons. (BBC News)
  • Content subscription service OnlyFans announces that it will ban sexually explicit material beginning in October. The policy changes, according to UK-based company, are "to comply with the requests of the banking partners and payout providers". (Variety)

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  • Rain falls on the summit of Greenland for the first time in recorded history. The rain shower dumped more than 7 billion tonnes of water on the ice sheet. (CNN)

Sports


RD: Junaid Babunagari

Article: Junaid Babunagari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (GulfNews), (DhakaTribune)
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Help with referencing is needed. --PFHLai (talk) 05:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James W. Loewen

Article: James W. Loewen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael Cullen

Article: Michael Cullen (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former deputy prime minister of NZ, three decades in politics. Article in good shape.  Nixinova T  C   05:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have improved the referencing based on this. Kiwichris (talk) 03:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Arthur J. Ammann

Article: Arthur J. Ammann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global Strategies (the AIDS organisation he founded)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Immunologist who discovered HIV could be transmitted in utero and through contaminated blood products —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sonny Chiba

Article: Sonny Chiba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prolific Japanese actor with more recent notable roles in Kill Bill and F&F: Tokyo Drift. COVID-related death. Article needs a lot of sourcing TLC to post. Masem (t) 17:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bill Freehan

Article: Bill Freehan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press; The Detroit News; MLB.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 16:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Volodymyr Holubnychy

Article: Volodymyr Holubnychy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): World Athletics
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 5 time Olympian and 2 time Olympic champion. Abishe (talk) 15:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 18

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(Posted) RD: B. Wayne Hughes

Article: B. Wayne Hughes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Olav Akselsen

Article: Olav Akselsen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK, Dagsavisen (both in Norwegian)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced on 18 August, looks like a decent article. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Franz Josef Altenburg

Article: Franz Josef Altenburg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ots and many in German
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable Austrian ceramicist who just received the highest Austrian decoration for arts on the occasion of his 80th birthday, had no article yet, - thanks all who changed that. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joseph L. Galloway

Article: Joseph L. Galloway (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Associated Press; United Press International
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:12, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Austin Mitchell

Article: Austin Mitchell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Veteran British Member of Parliament. Article is pretty good. Black Kite (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Russia to test nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed cruise missile

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Article: 9M730 Burevestnik (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russia to test the 9M730 Burevestnik nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed cruise missile (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
 Count Iblis (talk) 20:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Sean Lock

Article: Sean Lock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British comedian, refs need improvement improved Mjroots (talk) 10:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added a lot of refs. Will try and find more later. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 17

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(Posted) RD: Rock Demers

Article: Rock Demers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News (Canadian Press); Le Journal de Montréal
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 13:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carolyn S. Shoemaker

Article: Carolyn S. Shoemaker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Planetary News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Her death happened on the 13th but was confirmed by Lisa Gaddis, Director of the Lunar and Planetary Institute today. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maki Kaji

Article: Maki Kaji (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Person credited with popularizing sudoku puzzles. Died on the 10th but only seeing mass coverage of it today. Article is far too short right now to post, but obits today may help. Masem (t) 13:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 16

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  • The Speaker of the Tongan Parliament, Lord Fakafanua, introduces the Illicit Drugs Control (Amendment) Bill 2021 for debate in the legislative assembly. The Speaker wants a mandatory death sentence for serious drug offenses. Tonga has a moratorium on the death penalty and has not used it in more than four decades. (RNZ International)
  • The last living Khmer Rouge leader, Khieu Samphan, appears before a court in Phnom Penh in order to appeal his conviction and attempt to overturn it. The 90-year-old's hearing is expected to last for only a few days as analysts say that it is very unlikely that he will succeed in his appeal. (Deutsche Welle)
  • In a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court of Uganda strikes down a 2014 law outlawing the distribution of pornography and wearing of "indecent" clothes as unconstitutional. Women's rights groups in the country campaigned against the law since its inception, saying it unfairly singled out women for discrimination. (BBC News)

Politics and elections

Sports


RD: Anandha Kannan

Article: Anandha Kannan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tamil VJ Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 Zambian general election

Article: 2021 Zambian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Hakainde Hichilema (pictured) is elected President of Zambia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Africanews
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Joofjoof (talk) 08:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Malaysia government collapses

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Article: 2020–21 Malaysian political crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Malaysian prime minister Muhyiddin Yassin resigns following the withdrawal of support by one of the government coalition's parties (Post)
News source(s): [3] [4]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Currently I'm seeing much more coverage of the regime change in Afghanistan. Article is also orange tagged. Banedon (talk) 08:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment In addition to the multiple orange tags, this appears to be a mundane hand-off of power. I'm struggling to discover what makes this a "crisis" when it is routine politics elsewhere.130.233.213.61 (talk) 08:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we usually wait until someone else is appointed, as that is ITNR. And the article has multiple orange and yellow tags that would need fixing before it could even be considered. If someone takes over, fix their article and then that can run. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if Muhyiddin's replacement announced For me, it should not be posted because there is unknown who is successor of Muhyiddin and usually the change of government be posted as ITNR. 36.77.110.10 (talk) 11:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support... kinda. Yes, normally we wait for a successor to be at least named and for their successorship to be accepted by a decent enough size group to "count" before we post. This is unique, however - it's not so much "government that had support at one point collapses, successor unknown", it's more of "yet another attempt at having a government fails in Malaysia". To many, my view may seem like it should lead to an oppose - and in a vacuum, it would - however I feel it is also useful to consider the fact that another government has collapsed - the Afghan elected government. I think the mere fact that the elected government of one country and the "status quo" government of another have fallen within hours of each other is significant enough to warrant both being posted in ITN - but I'm not sure that a blurb for each is warranted. I do think the situation in Malaysia should be covered in the ITN section of the main page somehow... but I'm not sure how is best. My suggestion is to have a combined blurb such as In Afghanistan, the government collapses as the capital Kabul is taken by the Taliban while in Malaysia, the coalition government collapses after its leaders resign. To me the mere fact that two governments have collapsed in such close succession is itself a fact that is "in the news" - but this is just my opinion really. I would not be surprised to see news stories dedicated to the temporal concurrence soon. The collapse of the Malaysian government doesn't really qualify for ongoing (for reasons I don't think need explaining), but this is another option - post the crisis there to ongoing until a new government is formed (or something else happens that would blurb-qualify), then give it a blurb. TLDR: I think Malaysia should be somehow referenced in the ITN section, but with regards to how and where exactly, I'm flummoxed. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 14:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think that combining this with the Kabul blurb is a good idea. Let's simply post when the new PM is appointed. --Tone 17:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree that we should not combine this with the Afghanistan blurb. The two events have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and combining them would be bizarre to say the least. We don't combine election blurbs when elections in multiple countries occur at around the same time; the same principle applies here. Mlb96 (talk) 20:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, and I'm combining that with opposition to the Canadian government's collapse; no prejudice against posting either next PM in good time. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We could post the result of the new government formation, but not the end of an old one. Kabul was different because that was a military conquest, not standard politics. Re-nominate if/when there is a new prime minister. Modest Genius talk 11:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Change of government is ITN/R, so we'll surely post something, but it's best to wait for some more developments. His resignation can be part of a blurb about his successor whenever they're named.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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August 15

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RD: Joe Walton

Article: Joe Walton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player and longtime coach. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Paul Mitchell (politician)

Article: Paul Mitchell (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 16:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cary M. Maguire

Article: Cary M. Maguire (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Dallas Morning News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (August 15); died on August 10 —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bloom6132: The stub template is still present at the bottom of the page. Also a lot of Citation overkill, red links, and references not cited correctly such as these sources: [5], [6] Inexpiable (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as above. If you remove personal life etc, the main body about the activities that would make him notable are 5 lines. Secondly, the sourcing is not appropriate, out of the 11 sources, 1-4, 7 and 9-11 are not independent as they are either profiles from his company's page, or from organisations that he sponsors, so obviously they would be very friendly Bumbubookworm (talk) 02:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael M. Thomas

Article: Michael M. Thomas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (August 15); died on August 7 —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ernie Sigley

Article: Ernie Sigley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Highly awarded Australian TV and radio host HiLo48 (talk) 02:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There weren't yesterday. I do wish people would put the effort into finding sources, rather than just finding fault. I'll probably just delete that content, even though it's in no way controversial, just to get this posted. Is that how we want ITN to work? HiLo48 (talk) 22:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2020–21 Formula E World Championship

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


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Article: 2020–21 Formula E World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In autosport, Nyck de Vries wins the Formula E World Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In autosport, Nyck de Vries wins the Formula E World Championship, while Mercedes-EQ claim the teams' title.
News source(s): motorsport.com
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Not an ITNR item but could be since it has became a world championship. Unnamelessness (talk) 15:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The physical football can start in a wider range of places in college than in NFL which makes strategy less rote and emphasizes the asymmetry and specialization between the strong side players on the strong side of the ball and the weak side players on the weak side, is that distinct enough? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remember the hundreds of times a game when the fatties get ready for sumo then one snaps the ball? In NFL you can only do that up to 9.25 feet from the centerline, in college you can do that up to 20 feet from the centerline (the one parallel to the side of the field). The ball starting further from the center affects play. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both on importance and article quality. Formula E is a poor man's Formula One (which is why it's filled with F1 rejects and youngstars hoping to make the step up to F1 in the future). Not important enough to a broad audience therefore. On article quality, it would need a summary like 2020 Formula One World Championship#Season summary. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • If we're going by the criteria above than we would never post anything that isn't F1 because every other motorsport on the planet is filled with as you put it F1 rejects and youngsters hoping to make the step up to F1 in the future, and given F1 is by far the richest motorsport formula around, again, everything else is a poor man's Formula One by that standard. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well WEC or DTM would be considered way more notable, as they're proper series in their own right (and not filled with rejects like Formula E) But Formula E isn't anywhere near as popular as any of those- the champion is a Mercedes F1 test driver. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • DTM is a terrible example, the winner René Rast is leaving to join Formula E permanently after many years of being on the FE sidelines! Let's also add that DTM famously failed to expand outside of Germany many times and even within Germany struggled to get manufacturers onboard. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not even in the sports news. Kingsif (talk) 18:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: even though it's a FIA world championship, that doesn't grant it automatic ITNR status; whether it should is a different matter. My own view is that if we were to give another FIA championship ITNR status, I'd go for the WEC over FE, because despite the FIA's efforts, it's still not seen as equal to F1, the WRC, or the WEC. Sceptre (talk) 20:28, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I do not agree with the comments above; this championship is unique, as are the cars, format and everything else about it and does have widespread coverage, more so than most other motorsport events. We should not be looking what newspapers/media outlets post, if we did we'd never post any sports news that isn't top 5-EPL football news; the criteria is it encyclopaedic and is it important, and I would strongly argue yes to both. There's a reason all major car manufacturers and top racing drivers take part, and TV rights are hotly contested by e.g. Eurosport. Also it's truly global, unlike some of the other motorsports that get posted. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • We should not be looking what newspapers/media outlets post - literally how else would you define "in the news". Please, tell me. Also, Eurosport is basically brand new and everyone hates it for stealing Olympic airing rights for all of Europe so national broadcasters got shafted but go off on its relevance lol Kingsif (talk) 01:19, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed, "in the news" is for covering what is in the news, that people might come on here to look at. Seeing as Formula E didn't even make BBC News (and was never more covered than halfway down the news articles on BBC Sport), I don't see how anyone can suggest that this is ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Gerd Müller

Article: Gerd Müller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  German footballer Gerd Müller dies at the age of 75. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Süddeutsche Zeitung
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the most famous German footballers. SoWhy 11:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Oof, tricky. Legendary in the sport, obviously, but I'm unsure he rises to the level of a blurb ... that's a borderline one. Anyway, oppose for the moment due to unsourced content.Black Kite (talk) 12:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As Müller was a legend in his sport I would support RD only (I dont see a blurb justified). With 555 league-matches and 487 league goals he is/was a unit and regarding this equal to Messi (552 league-caps and 485 league-goals). I would like to know if there are other footballer than müller and Messi who played that many league matches and have a better match-score-ratio. --LennBr (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's odd how I (and many Americans) find it boring that Messi can get only ~0.9 goals per game instead of like 3 or 4 but if a baseballer ever gets 0.4 home runs per game (which is 3-4 hours) again for even 1 season without doping I'd be amazed (my soccer attention span is 2 hours per matchday per World Cup) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I (and many Earthlings) would rather watch MMA, where even the low-card losers regularly rack up 24 to 28 points in 15 minutes. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why do some combat athletes that suck get 8 points? It's like you're equally skilled you can still get 9 points, you suck you get 8 points, you suck AND commit a foul you get 7 points. If MMA was like soccer they'd have to start 100 yards apart, one guy would have to try to connect a kick to the head in 1 try while handcuffed and the other would have to wait for the kick to reach a point chosen to be "the end of easily duckable" (to keep score around 2-0) before he can duck to simulate not knowing whether to dive left or right till the soccer ball leaves the foot (and for fairness the rest of the kick would have to be as predictable as a fast kick could be, no more tricks). Penalize touching opponent besides a kick to the head so no one does it, alternate turns from 100 yards, repeat for 96 minutes with a short halftime unless there's an instant win like ref stoppage. If you can hire Telemundo or Univision soccer commentators then even better (I don't know if you get Mexican channels like us but if you watch enough soccer eventually one of the instances of speedtalk and getting more and more excited isn't a miss so they take a deep breath and yell GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! like a train horn and the goal also replaces the score with the word GOL rotating like a planet and starts a railroad crossing bell sound or siren or something like that) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What would make soccer fun again is just a return to a simpler foul system. If a player is accidentally kicked in the eye, junk or back of the neck, put the cards away and see if they can shake it off, ref! If not, instant draw. If the kick's intentional, instant win! If instant replay shows it was a free and fair cleat to the upper inner thigh, kisser or temple, the attacking team (and the crowd) celebrate sudden victory with style points, and go home happy, maybe drink a [British Coors equivalent] and get on top of their husbands and/or wives like they used to in Rome. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A team that only needs a draw to advance will try to get someone bumped and he'll flop in pain till the game ends. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just like real life! Anyway, I gotta run. Just remember, in all sincerity, they don't have to suck for pieces of eight anymore, the judges' cabal lowered the bar three or four years ago. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It was probably started to make boxing matches seem closer than they actually are, a dumb trick that still helps a little like the prices ending in 9's thing. It just seems closer than say 3 points for a win and 0 being like a 7 (can you get 7 points in UFC now without fouling? I don't know how many levels the judges can differentiate, they should just use that many tiers and make the lowest tier without fouling 0 points) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A natural 10-7 is a rare bird indeed, and oddly enough, Sammy Morgan got his (from one judge) well before the 10-8 was made easier. There are also very rare two-point foul deductions. So, in theory, a five-point must system is all we need to give a zero to those unicorns who just barely survive despite cheating like there's no tomorrow, without worrying about scorecards dipping into the Minus World (which I assume would destroy all worlds). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Afghan Government collapse

Article: 2021 Taliban offensive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Afghan president Ashraf Ghani resigns as Taliban forces enter Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan ending the twenty-year long war. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Afghan government collapses and Kabul falls to the Taliban during its offensive.
Alternative blurb II: Afghan president Ashraf Ghani flees the country as Taliban forces enter Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, ending the twenty-year long war.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Afghan government collapses as the capital city of Kabul falls to the ongoing offensive by the Taliban and President Ashraf Ghani flees the country.
News source(s): Alarabiya News, AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters, Al Jazeera, MSN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Obviously post it when (if) it happens, but given that Al Arabiya has a pretty good track record of generally being cautious with their sources, I doubt this doesnt come true. --212.74.201.233 (talk) 10:03, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe we should wait until 9/11, when the "planned withdrawal" was supposed to be complete? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea. What's the tallest symbolic building left standing in Afghanistan? When we see it crumble on TV, then we can safely say mission accomplished, "we got 'em" or whatever again. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think Osama bin Laden's been found. But was it posted at ITN? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I always thought he was killed in 2001, before ITN was cool. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Meanwhile, wisps of smoke could be seen near the embassy’s roof as diplomats urgently destroyed sensitive documents, according to two American military officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the situation." InedibleHulk (talk) 12:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some of us actually remember this. – Sca (talk) 14:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Smile for the camera, boys. – Sca (talk) 14:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Now let the fun begin. – Sca (talk) 17:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I did! Got caught in the moment haha JMonkey2006 (talk) 00:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong post posting support for alt 3 or 1; major event that pretty much ends the war, though I don't think saying so would be strictly correct.  Nixinova T  C   04:49, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's all over but the fleeing. [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]Sca (talk) 12:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support. I !voted to wait on previous noms, in the expectation that the Taliban would be victorious within a month or so. I was not expecting less than a week! Apparently conclusive end to a 20yr war. Modest Genius talk 14:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Or latest pause in a 50-year one. (Or pushing 200-years, if you want to be even more maximalist one.) US and the Afghan government are gone as protagonists, but might not be too long until the civil -- or conceivably otherwise -- war reconfigures. AB1 or AB3 are for that reason better. (Are we still open here in consideration of mid-posting tweaks of that kind?) 109.255.211.6 (talk) 00:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very Strong Post-Posting Support – The Afghanistan Government has collapsed and surrendered to the Taliban, the terrorist group that controlled most of the country prior to the start of the war. This also ends the 20-year-long war. Definitely needed to be posted. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 18:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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