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August 22
August 22, 2021
(Sunday)
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RD:Joe Grech (snooker player)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Joe Grech
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Lankyant (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: 1997 World Amateur Billiards champion and 21 times Maltese English Billiards Championship winner. Abishe (talk) 12:02, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
RD:Jeanne Robertson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by EEBuchanan (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and MyaLopez (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Jeanne Robertson, a highly accomplished woman (former Miss North Carolina, Toastmaster, humorist, Motivational Speaker, Athlete, list goes on) passed away recently, and I think she is accomplished enough to deserve a mention. EEBuchanan (talk) 05:27, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- EEBuchanan Just FYI, as long as a person merits an article, the article may be posted to RD, we no longer debate notability for RD postings. 331dot (talk) 07:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support This wikibio is long enough and has enough footnotes at the expected spots. There is one {{cn}} tag, but this should not disqualify this nom for RD. It's READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 11:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
August 21
August 21, 2021
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RD: Phil Valentine
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheNewMinistry (talk · give credit) and United States Man (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Anti-vaxxer dies from complications of .... guess what – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Preliminary diagnosis Subject entered cardipulmonary arrest due to inability to breathe, cough or move, resulting from acute paralytic toxicity and weeks of mechanical stress in prone position on non-resistant lungs, circulatory systems and overall neck area, complicating an atrophied diaphragm and society's normal antiviral response to COVID-related pneumonia. Manner, Natural. RD Readiness, Undetermined. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Kalyan Singh
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NTDV, Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Vanamonde93 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Noted Indian Politician . Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I spent the last couple of days rewriting this, should be in decent shape. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:43, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support This wikibio is long enough and has enough footnotes at the expected spots. It's READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 19:02, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good --Vacant0 (talk) 11:27, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 13:12, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
August 20
August 20, 2021
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RD: Tom T. Hall
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Tennessean
Credits:
- Nominated by Rawmustard (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Teemu08 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Standard disclaimer of some claims needing references. rawmustard (talk) 06:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Cleaned it up, should be decent now. Teemu08 (talk) 13:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
RD: Chuck Close
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by 2A00:23C5:5082:6101:5168:6B97:2327:A0C6 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Edwardx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American photorealist painter. Article looks in good shape and well referenced. 2A00:23C5:5082:6101:5168:6B97:2327:A0C6 (talk) 17:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
New Malaysian Prime Minister appointed
Blurb: Ismail Sabri Yaakob (pictured) is appointed as the Prime Minister of Malaysia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ismail Sabri Yaakob (pictured) is appointed as the Prime Minister of Malaysia, replacing Muhyiddin Yassin, who had recently resigned.
Alternative blurb II: Ismail Sabri Yaakob (pictured) is sworn in as the Prime Minister of Malaysia, marking the UMNO's return to power after three years.
News source(s): Reuters, AP, DW, The Straits Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 36.77.95.182 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Starship.paint (talk · give credit) and 182.3.103.78 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: I'm a people that does not fluently speak and write English, but Ismail Sabri Yaakob has been appointed as Malaysian Prime Minister. Anyone can adding a new information about him, but the change of government is ITN/R. 36.77.95.182 (talk) 10:43, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - apparently he takes over tomorrow, so I guess it should wait until then. Also, both 2020–21 Malaysian political crisis and the bio article Ismail Sabri Yaakob have lots of sourcing issues at present. — Amakuru (talk) 10:53, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The reporting by reliable sources is occurring today, so I would surmise it's just a matter of having the articles front-page worthy with the actual assumption of office a formality (cf. the Zambian election posting). rawmustard (talk) 13:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - I have been updating all the pages involved in this, including addressing sourcing issues (particular in the Sheraton move page) and also added this to Portal:Current events/2021 August 20 earlier today. Will not vote on this though as I have been doing the editing myself. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 15:49, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - see Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Closed)_Malaysia_government_collapses - we didn't post his predecessor's (Muhyiddin Yassin) resignation until his successor arrived. starship.paint (exalt) 06:22, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Update - Sabri has just been installed today. 180.244.175.3 (talk) 07:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Bloody hell, they removed the video. --180.244.175.3 (talk) 11:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Is there any particular reason why the PMs article is not the target one? At a quick glance, it has less tags and other issues than the lenghty crisis one. --Tone 11:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support altblurb II New PM is already sworn in, so it may be necessary to posted. 116.206.35.10 (talk) 13:49, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support World leaders are already making calls to this leader. We hope we are not late in posting the news--Exec8 (talk) 06:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC).
- Comments: The story is ITN material, but which link should be bolded in the blurb? The proposed bolded link leads to 2020–2021 Malaysian political crisis, an article with three orange tags. We can't use that. Is there any SUPPORT for the article Ismail Sabri Yaakob instead? Please focus on article quality and its readiness for an appearance on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 13:24, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
August 19
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RD: Junaid Babunagari
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (GulfNews), (DhakaTribune)
Credits:
- Updated by Al Riaz Uddin Ripon (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Help with referencing is needed. --PFHLai (talk) 05:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: James W. Loewen
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 01:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape. A tragic loss. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:17, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- There are a number of footnoted refs that need to be reformatted, otherwise this wikibio is READY for RD. I am dressing up some of the bare URL, but need to get offline for a little bit. Please feel free to beat me to reformat the rest. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 21:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think we expect well formatted references as long as references are there (Though there is one dead link). Obviously, if it was only using all bare refs, that would be an issue, but the lack of normalization of refs isn't really a ITN quality issue. --Masem (t) 21:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I have clothed the bare naked URLs, and raised the dead link from archive. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think we expect well formatted references as long as references are there (Though there is one dead link). Obviously, if it was only using all bare refs, that would be an issue, but the lack of normalization of refs isn't really a ITN quality issue. --Masem (t) 21:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 13:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Michael Cullen
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff
Credits:
- Nominated by Nixinova (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former deputy prime minister of NZ, three decades in politics. Article in good shape. Nixinova T C 05:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support An important political figure in New Zealand for several decades. Article of good quality with adequate citations. Kiwichris (talk) 07:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose a few citations needed and some bare URLs. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 13:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- I have improved the referencing based on this. Kiwichris (talk) 03:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted There are no more bare URLs left and only 1 {{cn}} tag, which is not controversial at all. (More like a minor/trivial POV issue.) --PFHLai (talk) 13:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
RD: Arthur J. Ammann
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global Strategies (the AIDS organisation he founded)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by OwenBlacker (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Immunologist who discovered HIV could be transmitted in utero and through contaminated blood products — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Important doctor and researcher. Article seems good. Looks ready.Pyramids09 (talk) 20:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose most awards/honours unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 13:50, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. In fact the article would be better without the awards/honours section. Nigej (talk) 14:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
RD: Sonny Chiba
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Prolific Japanese actor with more recent notable roles in Kill Bill and F&F: Tokyo Drift. COVID-related death. Article needs a lot of sourcing TLC to post. Masem (t) 17:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support: International film star, well known in the West as well as East Asia. Coverage of death reported by major media outlets. Article is in good enough shape for RD. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Per CurryTime7. --NoonIcarus (talk) 22:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support per CurryTime7. Inline refs could be better, but they're not problematically bad. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – multiple unsourced paragraphs. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose needs a lot of work on sourcing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:40, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There are several tags in the article. Hanamanteo (talk) 07:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bill Freehan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press; The Detroit News; MLB.com
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 16:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good depth of coverage; fully referenced. SpencerT•C 17:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:14, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Volodymyr Holubnychy
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): World Athletics
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: 5 time Olympian and 2 time Olympic champion. Abishe (talk) 15:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
August 18
August 18, 2021
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(Posted) RD: B. Wayne Hughes
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 10:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support Would like to see a little more detail about the subject's real estate career but what's there meets minimum standards. Referenced. SpencerT•C 14:12, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 12:59, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Olav Akselsen
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK, Dagsavisen (both in Norwegian)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Death announced on 18 August, looks like a decent article. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support – well-referenced (AGF all refs in Norwegian); looks like it meets minimum ITN requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Oppose: Politician of only local importance.—CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)- That isn't a valid oppose, he's notable enough for a Wikipedia article as a member of the Norwegian parliament, therefore he is presumed notable enough for RD. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support: In that case, I retract my opposition and vote "support" based on sources AGF. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- That isn't a valid oppose, he's notable enough for a Wikipedia article as a member of the Norwegian parliament, therefore he is presumed notable enough for RD. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. AGF'ing all non-English sources. --PFHLai (talk) 02:16, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Franz Josef Altenburg
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ots and many in German
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Notable Austrian ceramicist who just received the highest Austrian decoration for arts on the occasion of his 80th birthday, had no article yet, - thanks all who changed that. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Notable artist of international standing. Good article; German sources check out. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:00, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted AGF'ing all non-English sources. --PFHLai (talk) 03:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joseph L. Galloway
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Associated Press; United Press International
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 10:12, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Appropriate depth of coverage; referenced. SpencerT•C 12:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support more than good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 01:28, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Austin Mitchell
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Veteran British Member of Parliament. Article is pretty good. Black Kite (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is good and well referenced. Seems good to go. Pyramids09 (talk) 04:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 05:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Russia to test nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed cruise missile
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Russia to test the 9M730 Burevestnik nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed cruise missile (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
- Oppose No reason given why it is eligible to be posted. It is a WP:CRYSTAL. 36.77.94.84 (talk) 20:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Just another missile test, fails notability. Pyramids09 (talk) 21:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This user consistently fails to update the articles they nominate. There is no indication whatsoever in the target article of this being in the news. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Beneath the radar. – Sca (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sean Lock
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC)
Credits:
- Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Lugnuts (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British comedian, refs need improvement improved Mjroots (talk) 10:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support once the article is up to shape. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Added a lot of refs. Will try and find more later. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Referencing seems to have improved, article looks good now.--Jayron32 12:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Post posting support Note: date of death
not yet determinednow reported today as 16th August. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
August 17
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(Posted) RD: Rock Demers
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News (Canadian Press); Le Journal de Montréal
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 13:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support That was easy. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Carolyn S. Shoemaker
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Planetary News
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Her death happened on the 13th but was confirmed by Lisa Gaddis, Director of the Lunar and Planetary Institute today. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Pretty good article on a fairly obscure figure. Ready to go. Modest Genius talk 10:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. The tag about contradiction is not too big of a problem to prevent posting. --Tone 12:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Maki Kaji
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Possibly (talk · give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Person credited with popularizing sudoku puzzles. Died on the 10th but only seeing mass coverage of it today. Article is far too short right now to post, but obits today may help. Masem (t) 13:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Short but referenced fully so sufficient, Start article. --BabbaQ (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support – well-referenced; now meets minimum ITN requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
August 16
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RD: Anandha Kannan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Tamil VJ Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- This wikibio, with less than 100 characters of prose, is a stub. The Filmography section has no references. Please expand and add more references. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 23:01, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 Zambian general election
Blurb: Hakainde Hichilema (pictured) is elected President of Zambia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Africanews
Credits:
- Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Icem4k (talk · give credit), Number 57 (talk · give credit) and John Chibona (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Joofjoof (talk) 08:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support, though the domestic reaction could be a bit longer, given the fact that the incumbent president called it unfair. But most of the content is there. --Tone 09:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Weak oppose for now- some more prose needed on the results, particularly as it seems the electoral commission has confirmed the result this morning. Looks good otherwise though, and this is quite a momentous result, as the incumbent Lungu is seen as quite a "strong man" and he might yet attempt to overturn the results. — Amakuru (talk) 09:53, 16 August 2021 (UTC)- Support. Outcome now confirmed in the article, along with Lungu's concession, and looks good otherwise. Good to go. — Amakuru (talk) 09:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Not a big fan of the Twitter refs, but the article is OK. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:37, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 09:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - I've raised a query with Icem4k regarding the image above, File:Hakainde Hichilema 01.png to check if it is appropriately licensed for use on the main page. It has an author of "National Archives of Zambia" so not sure if it's Icem4k's own work or not. We should probably hold off posting the image until that's confirmed. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 10:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Update. Icem4k has now confirmed to me that the image is their own, so I've swapped it in. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 11:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Malaysia government collapses
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Blurb: Malaysian prime minister Muhyiddin Yassin resigns following the withdrawal of support by one of the government coalition's parties (Post)
News source(s): [3] [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 175.142.29.206 (talk · give credit) and Arcahaeoindris (talk · give credit)
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- Comment In addition to the multiple orange tags, this appears to be a mundane hand-off of power. I'm struggling to discover what makes this a "crisis" when it is routine politics elsewhere.130.233.213.61 (talk) 08:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose we usually wait until someone else is appointed, as that is ITNR. And the article has multiple orange and yellow tags that would need fixing before it could even be considered. If someone takes over, fix their article and then that can run. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support if Muhyiddin's replacement announced For me, it should not be posted because there is unknown who is successor of Muhyiddin and usually the change of government be posted as ITNR. 36.77.110.10 (talk) 11:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support... kinda. Yes, normally we wait for a successor to be at least named and for their successorship to be accepted by a decent enough size group to "count" before we post. This is unique, however - it's not so much "government that had support at one point collapses, successor unknown", it's more of "yet another attempt at having a government fails in Malaysia". To many, my view may seem like it should lead to an oppose - and in a vacuum, it would - however I feel it is also useful to consider the fact that another government has collapsed - the Afghan elected government. I think the mere fact that the elected government of one country and the "status quo" government of another have fallen within hours of each other is significant enough to warrant both being posted in ITN - but I'm not sure that a blurb for each is warranted. I do think the situation in Malaysia should be covered in the ITN section of the main page somehow... but I'm not sure how is best. My suggestion is to have a combined blurb such as
In Afghanistan, the government collapses as the capital Kabul is taken by the Taliban while in Malaysia, the coalition government collapses after its leaders resign.
To me the mere fact that two governments have collapsed in such close succession is itself a fact that is "in the news" - but this is just my opinion really. I would not be surprised to see news stories dedicated to the temporal concurrence soon. The collapse of the Malaysian government doesn't really qualify for ongoing (for reasons I don't think need explaining), but this is another option - post the crisis there to ongoing until a new government is formed (or something else happens that would blurb-qualify), then give it a blurb. TLDR: I think Malaysia should be somehow referenced in the ITN section, but with regards to how and where exactly, I'm flummoxed. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 14:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC) - I don't think that combining this with the Kabul blurb is a good idea. Let's simply post when the new PM is appointed. --Tone 17:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Agree that we should not combine this with the Afghanistan blurb. The two events have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and combining them would be bizarre to say the least. We don't combine election blurbs when elections in multiple countries occur at around the same time; the same principle applies here. Mlb96 (talk) 20:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, and I'm combining that with opposition to the Canadian government's collapse; no prejudice against posting either next PM in good time. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. We could post the result of the new government formation, but not the end of an old one. Kabul was different because that was a military conquest, not standard politics. Re-nominate if/when there is a new prime minister. Modest Genius talk 11:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wait Change of government is ITN/R, so we'll surely post something, but it's best to wait for some more developments. His resignation can be part of a blurb about his successor whenever they're named. Vanilla Wizard 💙 22:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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RD: Joe Walton
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American football player and longtime coach. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sourcing is missing atm. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- More refs, please. There are at least six paragraphs with zero footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 13:40, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Paul Mitchell (politician)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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– Muboshgu (talk) 16:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article well sourced and updated. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- TDKR Chicago 101, I was just about to come back here to put you on as an updater, thanks for adding some of the sourcing. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good! --Vacant0 (talk) 11:00, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 13:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support well referenced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 22:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
RD: Cary M. Maguire
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Dallas Morning News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (August 15); died on August 10 —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Poorly sourced and only a stub. Inexpiable (talk) 17:16, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Inexpiable: every paragraph is sourced. And it's 2,094 characters long (i.e. >1,500 characters), so not a stub. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- It appears to be largely sourced to the Maguire Center and the Maguire Energy Institute, which don't look like independent sources.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:39, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Inexpiable: every paragraph is sourced. And it's 2,094 characters long (i.e. >1,500 characters), so not a stub. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Bloom6132: The stub template is still present at the bottom of the page. Also a lot of Citation overkill, red links, and references not cited correctly such as these sources: [5], [6] Inexpiable (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as above. If you remove personal life etc, the main body about the activities that would make him notable are 5 lines. Secondly, the sourcing is not appropriate, out of the 11 sources, 1-4, 7 and 9-11 are not independent as they are either profiles from his company's page, or from organisations that he sponsors, so obviously they would be very friendly Bumbubookworm (talk) 02:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Michael M. Thomas
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Danbale (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (August 15); died on August 7 —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support It's short but well-referenced, enough for a RD. --Vacant0 (talk) 11:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 13:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support - good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 22:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 00:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ernie Sigley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Highly awarded Australian TV and radio host HiLo48 (talk) 02:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Story checks out. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:10, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- READY Just sorted out the last couple of citation needed issues. I think this is ready to go. HiLo48 (talk) 01:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support I filled up one cn tag, its fully ready now. --Vacant0 (talk) 11:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There are several tags in the article. Hanamanteo (talk) 17:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- There weren't yesterday. I do wish people would put the effort into finding sources, rather than just finding fault. I'll probably just delete that content, even though it's in no way controversial, just to get this posted. Is that how we want ITN to work? HiLo48 (talk) 22:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- READY Removed uncited material. HiLo48 (talk) 01:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) 2020–21 Formula E World Championship
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Blurb: In autosport, Nyck de Vries wins the Formula E World Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In autosport, Nyck de Vries wins the Formula E World Championship, while Mercedes-EQ claim the teams' title.
News source(s): motorsport.com
Credits:
- Nominated by Unnamelessness (talk · give credit)
- Oppose target is weak, and doesn't really describe in detail the events of the season. It appears that the Nyck de Vries article isn't even updated, unless you consider one unreferenced sentence a suitable improvement. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Motorsport is already well represented at ITN. The argument to add more would be either that the event is very popular (such as the EPL), or distinct enough form existing codes/formats to be treated as it's own (Grey Cup). Formula E has too weak argument on both fronts at this stage. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- The physical football can start in a wider range of places in college than in NFL which makes strategy less rote and emphasizes the asymmetry and specialization between the strong side players on the strong side of the ball and the weak side players on the weak side, is that distinct enough? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Remember the hundreds of times a game when the fatties get ready for sumo then one snaps the ball? In NFL you can only do that up to 9.25 feet from the centerline, in college you can do that up to 20 feet from the centerline (the one parallel to the side of the field). The ball starting further from the center affects play. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- The physical football can start in a wider range of places in college than in NFL which makes strategy less rote and emphasizes the asymmetry and specialization between the strong side players on the strong side of the ball and the weak side players on the weak side, is that distinct enough? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose both on importance and article quality. Formula E is a poor man's Formula One (which is why it's filled with F1 rejects and youngstars hoping to make the step up to F1 in the future). Not important enough to a broad audience therefore. On article quality, it would need a summary like 2020 Formula One World Championship#Season summary. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- If we're going by the criteria above than we would never post anything that isn't F1 because every other motorsport on the planet is filled with as you put it F1 rejects and youngsters hoping to make the step up to F1 in the future, and given F1 is by far the richest motorsport formula around, again, everything else is a poor man's Formula One by that standard. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Well WEC or DTM would be considered way more notable, as they're proper series in their own right (and not filled with rejects like Formula E) But Formula E isn't anywhere near as popular as any of those- the champion is a Mercedes F1 test driver. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- DTM is a terrible example, the winner René Rast is leaving to join Formula E permanently after many years of being on the FE sidelines! Let's also add that DTM famously failed to expand outside of Germany many times and even within Germany struggled to get manufacturers onboard. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Well WEC or DTM would be considered way more notable, as they're proper series in their own right (and not filled with rejects like Formula E) But Formula E isn't anywhere near as popular as any of those- the champion is a Mercedes F1 test driver. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- If we're going by the criteria above than we would never post anything that isn't F1 because every other motorsport on the planet is filled with as you put it F1 rejects and youngsters hoping to make the step up to F1 in the future, and given F1 is by far the richest motorsport formula around, again, everything else is a poor man's Formula One by that standard. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not even in the sports news. Kingsif (talk) 18:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose: even though it's a FIA world championship, that doesn't grant it automatic ITNR status; whether it should is a different matter. My own view is that if we were to give another FIA championship ITNR status, I'd go for the WEC over FE, because despite the FIA's efforts, it's still not seen as equal to F1, the WRC, or the WEC. Sceptre (talk) 20:28, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support I do not agree with the comments above; this championship is unique, as are the cars, format and everything else about it and does have widespread coverage, more so than most other motorsport events. We should not be looking what newspapers/media outlets post, if we did we'd never post any sports news that isn't top 5-EPL football news; the criteria is it encyclopaedic and is it important, and I would strongly argue yes to both. There's a reason all major car manufacturers and top racing drivers take part, and TV rights are hotly contested by e.g. Eurosport. Also it's truly global, unlike some of the other motorsports that get posted. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
We should not be looking what newspapers/media outlets post
- literally how else would you define "in the news". Please, tell me. Also, Eurosport is basically brand new and everyone hates it for stealing Olympic airing rights for all of Europe so national broadcasters got shafted but go off on its relevance lol Kingsif (talk) 01:19, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed, "in the news" is for covering what is in the news, that people might come on here to look at. Seeing as Formula E didn't even make BBC News (and was never more covered than halfway down the news articles on BBC Sport), I don't see how anyone can suggest that this is ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Gerd Müller
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: German footballer Gerd Müller dies at the age of 75. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Süddeutsche Zeitung
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by SoWhy (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: One of the most famous German footballers. SoWhy 11:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Oof, tricky. Legendary in the sport, obviously, but I'm unsure he rises to the level of a blurb ... that's a borderline one. Anyway, oppose for the moment due to unsourced content.Black Kite (talk) 12:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment As Müller was a legend in his sport I would support RD only (I dont see a blurb justified). With 555 league-matches and 487 league goals he is/was a unit and regarding this equal to Messi (552 league-caps and 485 league-goals). I would like to know if there are other footballer than müller and Messi who played that many league matches and have a better match-score-ratio. --LennBr (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- It's odd how I (and many Americans) find it boring that Messi can get only ~0.9 goals per game instead of like 3 or 4 but if a baseballer ever gets 0.4 home runs per game (which is 3-4 hours) again for even 1 season without doping I'd be amazed (my soccer attention span is 2 hours per matchday per World Cup) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- That's why I (and many Earthlings) would rather watch MMA, where even the low-card losers regularly rack up 24 to 28 points in 15 minutes. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Why do some combat athletes that suck get 8 points? It's like you're equally skilled you can still get 9 points, you suck you get 8 points, you suck AND commit a foul you get 7 points. If MMA was like soccer they'd have to start 100 yards apart, one guy would have to try to connect a kick to the head in 1 try while handcuffed and the other would have to wait for the kick to reach a point chosen to be "the end of easily duckable" (to keep score around 2-0) before he can duck to simulate not knowing whether to dive left or right till the soccer ball leaves the foot (and for fairness the rest of the kick would have to be as predictable as a fast kick could be, no more tricks). Penalize touching opponent besides a kick to the head so no one does it, alternate turns from 100 yards, repeat for 96 minutes with a short halftime unless there's an instant win like ref stoppage. If you can hire Telemundo or Univision soccer commentators then even better (I don't know if you get Mexican channels like us but if you watch enough soccer eventually one of the instances of speedtalk and getting more and more excited isn't a miss so they take a deep breath and yell GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! like a train horn and the goal also replaces the score with the word GOL rotating like a planet and starts a railroad crossing bell sound or siren or something like that) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- What would make soccer fun again is just a return to a simpler foul system. If a player is accidentally kicked in the eye, junk or back of the neck, put the cards away and see if they can shake it off, ref! If not, instant draw. If the kick's intentional, instant win! If instant replay shows it was a free and fair cleat to the upper inner thigh, kisser or temple, the attacking team (and the crowd) celebrate sudden victory with style points, and go home happy, maybe drink a [British Coors equivalent] and get on top of their husbands and/or wives like they used to in Rome. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- A team that only needs a draw to advance will try to get someone bumped and he'll flop in pain till the game ends. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Just like real life! Anyway, I gotta run. Just remember, in all sincerity, they don't have to suck for pieces of eight anymore, the judges' cabal lowered the bar three or four years ago. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- It was probably started to make boxing matches seem closer than they actually are, a dumb trick that still helps a little like the prices ending in 9's thing. It just seems closer than say 3 points for a win and 0 being like a 7 (can you get 7 points in UFC now without fouling? I don't know how many levels the judges can differentiate, they should just use that many tiers and make the lowest tier without fouling 0 points) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- A natural 10-7 is a rare bird indeed, and oddly enough, Sammy Morgan got his (from one judge) well before the 10-8 was made easier. There are also very rare two-point foul deductions. So, in theory, a five-point must system is all we need to give a zero to those unicorns who just barely survive despite cheating like there's no tomorrow, without worrying about scorecards dipping into the Minus World (which I assume would destroy all worlds). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- It was probably started to make boxing matches seem closer than they actually are, a dumb trick that still helps a little like the prices ending in 9's thing. It just seems closer than say 3 points for a win and 0 being like a 7 (can you get 7 points in UFC now without fouling? I don't know how many levels the judges can differentiate, they should just use that many tiers and make the lowest tier without fouling 0 points) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Just like real life! Anyway, I gotta run. Just remember, in all sincerity, they don't have to suck for pieces of eight anymore, the judges' cabal lowered the bar three or four years ago. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- A team that only needs a draw to advance will try to get someone bumped and he'll flop in pain till the game ends. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- What would make soccer fun again is just a return to a simpler foul system. If a player is accidentally kicked in the eye, junk or back of the neck, put the cards away and see if they can shake it off, ref! If not, instant draw. If the kick's intentional, instant win! If instant replay shows it was a free and fair cleat to the upper inner thigh, kisser or temple, the attacking team (and the crowd) celebrate sudden victory with style points, and go home happy, maybe drink a [British Coors equivalent] and get on top of their husbands and/or wives like they used to in Rome. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Why do some combat athletes that suck get 8 points? It's like you're equally skilled you can still get 9 points, you suck you get 8 points, you suck AND commit a foul you get 7 points. If MMA was like soccer they'd have to start 100 yards apart, one guy would have to try to connect a kick to the head in 1 try while handcuffed and the other would have to wait for the kick to reach a point chosen to be "the end of easily duckable" (to keep score around 2-0) before he can duck to simulate not knowing whether to dive left or right till the soccer ball leaves the foot (and for fairness the rest of the kick would have to be as predictable as a fast kick could be, no more tricks). Penalize touching opponent besides a kick to the head so no one does it, alternate turns from 100 yards, repeat for 96 minutes with a short halftime unless there's an instant win like ref stoppage. If you can hire Telemundo or Univision soccer commentators then even better (I don't know if you get Mexican channels like us but if you watch enough soccer eventually one of the instances of speedtalk and getting more and more excited isn't a miss so they take a deep breath and yell GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! like a train horn and the goal also replaces the score with the word GOL rotating like a planet and starts a railroad crossing bell sound or siren or something like that) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- That's why I (and many Earthlings) would rather watch MMA, where even the low-card losers regularly rack up 24 to 28 points in 15 minutes. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- It's odd how I (and many Americans) find it boring that Messi can get only ~0.9 goals per game instead of like 3 or 4 but if a baseballer ever gets 0.4 home runs per game (which is 3-4 hours) again for even 1 season without doping I'd be amazed (my soccer attention span is 2 hours per matchday per World Cup) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb - Major international footballer. Mjroots (talk) 14:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb for consistency. We didn't post Cruyff so Muller doesn't get posted. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- And for such a "legendary player", pitiful coverage of his career in the article. For a quick comparison, see Johan Cruyff. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb, as a major figure in his field ( football). Jackattack1597 (talk) 15:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb I supported a blurb for Cruyff and would like to support one for Müller. The wrong that no blurb was posted for Cruyff's death cannot be righted by not posting this one. After all, football is a very big deal so there should be some room to post iconic and influential players other than Maradona.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Old Man Dies RD only, please. If he's famous, people will still notice and click his name. Especially his fans. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb when page up to scratch: As I saw cited on Ballon d'Or, Muller was one of eight players to win the World Cup, European Cup/Champions League and Ballon d'Or. [7] That's an exclusive club. He remains 87 goals clear in the Bundesliga scoring charts 42 years after his retirement. The decision not to post Cruyff - who aside from his club, international and managerial honours was recognised as one of the true transformers of football into its modern form [8] - should not form precedent. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb on the simple grounds that one was not posted for Cruyff.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:03, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb In addition to the facts pointed above, this article is awfully short for someone claimed to be a major player. His stats may be impressive, but let's compare to someone like Pelé or Wayne Gretzky (in terms of content) --Masem (t) 16:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb for now. We have pretty high standards for death blurbs in virtually every category except politicians (who, by virtue of their leadership of a nation probably ought to get death blurbs the most often). Is Gerd Muller one of the greatest soccer players of all time? I'd argue that he falls short of the Maradona/Pele/Messi standard, so he doesn't get a blurb. (As evidence, consider this list or this list, both of which put him all the way down at 12th all time; or this list which has him at 17th. All the lists seem to imply we were wrong to deny Cruyff a blurb, though, as they all elevate Cruyff into that Maradona/Pele/Messi echelon.) NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Also, not that it matters, but there are fourteen footballers who are listed as Level 4 vital articles, and Gerd Muller is not one of them. To me, that suggests that he's just not high enough up the list for a death blurb. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Also worth noting that the "vital articles" project is run by a tiny enclave who debate who is and who is not vital. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:23, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Then again, doesn't ITN operate the same way? WaltCip-(talk) 14:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Also worth noting that the "vital articles" project is run by a tiny enclave who debate who is and who is not vital. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:23, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb per article quality, too short for that. But support RD.BabbaQ (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted RD --PFHLai (talk) 23:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Afghan Government collapse
Blurb: Afghan president Ashraf Ghani resigns as Taliban forces enter Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan ending the twenty-year long war. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Afghan government collapses and Kabul falls to the Taliban during its offensive.
Alternative blurb II: Afghan president Ashraf Ghani flees the country as Taliban forces enter Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, ending the twenty-year long war.
Alternative blurb III: The Afghan government collapses as the capital city of Kabul falls to the ongoing offensive by the Taliban and President Ashraf Ghani flees the country.
News source(s): Alarabiya News, AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters, Al Jazeera, MSN
Credits:
- Nominated by 212.74.201.233 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Obviously post it when (if) it happens, but given that Al Arabiya has a pretty good track record of generally being cautious with their sources, I doubt this doesnt come true. --212.74.201.233 (talk) 10:03, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wait: We cannot posting WP:CRYSTAL predictions, it maybe cannot be happen as the event progressed. If the information is true, i will Support the blurb to be posted with alternate blurb. 180.249.244.163 (talk) 10:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Obviously, that's why I wrote what I wrote in my comment. But given that this is almost certainly going to happen in then next few hours, we might as well prepare the article and the blurb beforehand 212.74.201.233 (talk) 10:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Your nomination, with that blurb, is wholly premature. You cannot expect editors to support something which is simply not true, let alone not published by any news outlet. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Obviously, that's why I wrote what I wrote in my comment. But given that this is almost certainly going to happen in then next few hours, we might as well prepare the article and the blurb beforehand 212.74.201.233 (talk) 10:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wait till the president of the new "transitional government" is announced. We can also nominate an RD for Afghan women's rights Scaramouche33 (talk) 10:47, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Well, that's not all that bad. At least Bacha bazi's gonna be banned 212.74.201.233 (talk) 10:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- I see. So that makes a brutal medieval fundamentalist regime, which enslaves women, perfectly acceptable, yes? Must have been in that Taliban manifesto leaflet I binned. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- I did not say it's preferable, what you are doing is a textbook example of stramanning. With that being said, as a left0-wing atheist who is fundamentally opposed to the Taliban's ideology, if I had a choice between making my daughter wear hijab outside, and having my son get raped by some 50-year old militia commander, I'd prefer the former to the latter. Cheers. 212.74.201.233 (talk) 15:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Have her married off at 13 to a Taliban murderer and endure a life of domestic drudgery too, would you? But I'm not sure choices in Afghanistan are quite that simple. And not sure Bacha bazi is likely to feature in any ITN blurb. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I did not say it's preferable, what you are doing is a textbook example of stramanning. With that being said, as a left0-wing atheist who is fundamentally opposed to the Taliban's ideology, if I had a choice between making my daughter wear hijab outside, and having my son get raped by some 50-year old militia commander, I'd prefer the former to the latter. Cheers. 212.74.201.233 (talk) 15:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- I see. So that makes a brutal medieval fundamentalist regime, which enslaves women, perfectly acceptable, yes? Must have been in that Taliban manifesto leaflet I binned. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Well, that's not all that bad. At least Bacha bazi's gonna be banned 212.74.201.233 (talk) 10:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wait, but post once Kabul falls.Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wait Call me crazy, but the last time the Taliban was in control as thousands of Americans arrived to liberate and protect their "Afghan people", this endless 20-year war began. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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- Wait—But I will obviously support when it happens (I wish I could also say "if" it happens). Kurtis (talk) 11:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support – in principle – as story develops. Widely covered (see added sources above). No-brainer. – Sca (talk) 12:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Wait until he actually resigns and they enter the capital. At the moment, sources are saying that he could resign, that he is planning to resign or is in negotiations over resigning, but hasn't resigned quite yet. At the moment, Kabul is still under govt control, although that could change by the end of the day. When/if these events happen,Strong Support for their inclusion, as they would be some of the biggest intl' news in recent memory. Goodposts (talk) 12:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC) P.S. Just a few hours after I posted this, Ghani left the country and the Taliban entered Kabul. There is nothing to wait for anymore. Goodposts (talk) 14:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)- Comment - We should be using this article Battle of Kabul (2021) Sherenk1 (talk) 12:28, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support (and oh, cr*p...) -
The Economic Times has confirmed here...Turns out that was confirmation that he will step down, not that he has stepped down... Anyways... Tube·of·Light 13:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC) - Support in a few hours Jerusalem Post has reported the resignation as fact. Juxlos (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Since we also don't know whether this actually ends the war (maybe there's more anti-Taliban insurgency or something), I propose an alternate blurb: Afghan president Ashraf Ghani resigns as Taliban forces enter Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, and is replaced by Ali Ahmad Jalali as interim head of government. (Jalali's text subject to him actually being appointed, of course). Juxlos (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support once Kabul falls pending quality. Thus ends the Vietnam of our times. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 14:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Some of us actually remember this. – Sca (talk) 14:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support. The current situation is that capitulation talks are ongoing, that's big news in its own right. Count Iblis (talk) 14:14, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Juxlos' Alt, pending extreme cleanup on Jalali. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Al Jazeera says Ghani has left Kabul for Tajikistan. Not clear whether he's resigned. – Sca (talk) 14:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support BBC now reporting that Ashraf Ghani has done a runner, this is all over bar the shouting. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Well, now Vietnam has been surpassed as a metaphor for U.S. military catastrophes.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Smile for the camera, boys. – Sca (talk) 14:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Proposing altblurb 2 based on the recent developments 212.74.201.233 (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support for altblurb2. Kabul has fallen, Afghanistan continued their reputation to be graveyard for empires. SunDawntalk 15:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wait until final collapse confirmed. Papers still reporting Taliban preparing to enter Kabul. — Amakuru (talk) 15:40, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- "Fallen" not yet unequivocally reported by major RS sources, obvious though it seems. T-ban quoted saying there'll be no transitional government, they're waiting for govt. to surrender. (U.S. embassy staff being moved to Kabul airport.) – Sca (talk) 15:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Question: Is ending the twenty-year long war in the proposed blurbs really true? --PFHLai (talk) 15:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- War in Afghanistan (2001–present) says no. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Even Operation Freedom's Sentinel has 16 days left, semiofficially. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- The American invasion was a reasonably direct outgrowth of the Afghan Civil War, which in turn was an extension of the Soviet invasion, which was triggered by various uprisings in response to the Saur Revolution. Combat in Afghanistan has been reasonably constant for the past 43 years. --Carnildo (talk) 05:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- If you want to go back even more reasonably, Winston Churchill once realized, "The Pashtun tribes are always engaged in private or public war." If an unknown number of sensitive ancient documents hadn't been blown to infinity, we'd have real trouble disambiguating one War in Afghanistan from the next. Apparently excellent toward strangers, though; maybe if Hypothetical Group X only invades for a couple of weeks next time, and stays cool, relatively modern peace might finally have a goddamned chance. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support with comment It deserves to go main page but can we conclude that the 20 years war has ended? I think the last phrase should be removed.Seyyed(t-c) 15:55, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Seyyed's proposal above I haven't seen sources saying that the war is over. So I don't think we should be posting that part of the hook. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb 1 Government has collapses and Kabul was overtaken, as reported by multiple sources. The potential set up of a transitional government is a formality that doesn't change what has already happened on the ground. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:11, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posting alt1, for which it seems we have the most consensus. Feel free to adjust as the story develops. --Tone 16:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Now let the fun begin. – Sca (talk) 17:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Alt added as President fleeing is a major event. ArionEstar (talk) 21:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Update death toll The wiki page and multiple sources revise the death toll to be over about 1 300. JMonkey2006 (talk) 00:00, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @JMonkey2006: for the fall of Kabul? Or did you mean to post this on the Haiti thread? Juxlos (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes I did! Got caught in the moment haha JMonkey2006 (talk) 00:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Should the offensive still be ongoing? Seems like there isn’t much left for the Taliban to take over. Juxlos (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing up this point. The word "ongoing" is now removed from the blurb on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 02:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Strong post posting support for alt 3 or 1; major event that pretty much ends the war, though I don't think saying so would be strictly correct. Nixinova T C 04:49, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting support. I !voted to wait on previous noms, in the expectation that the Taliban would be victorious within a month or so. I was not expecting less than a week! Apparently conclusive end to a 20yr war. Modest Genius talk 14:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Or latest pause in a 50-year one. (Or pushing 200-years, if you want to be even more maximalist one.) US and the Afghan government are gone as protagonists, but might not be too long until the civil -- or conceivably otherwise -- war reconfigures. AB1 or AB3 are for that reason better. (Are we still open here in consideration of mid-posting tweaks of that kind?) 109.255.211.6 (talk) 00:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Very Strong Post-Posting Support – The Afghanistan Government has collapsed and surrendered to the Taliban, the terrorist group that controlled most of the country prior to the start of the war. This also ends the 20-year-long war. Definitely needed to be posted. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 18:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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