I am extremely happy that it got privatized. The french healthcare system started to get privatized in late 2001 early 2002. So now it is to each their own and it is much better.
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larss
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So you prefer a worse system? That appears to be your stance!
I prefer a privatized system where I don't have to pay for others and where the quality of care is 100 times better , that is what I will always prefer. But to each their own
I am maintaining that the french healthcare system is gone to shit with all the overspending to assist people who never worked nor busted their asses off, and it is a good thing, it becomes a privatized one.
Mariahxxx
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in one post you say it is going to shit then you say its getting better as it gets privatized and NOW you are saying both in the same sentence!
I agree that every social program has it's leeches who don't deserve the care. But think about how many people in France have lives today because of the health care they had. France has a 10.5% unemployment rate, yet you continue to harp on it like 90% of the people getting care don't work? I told you I have friends in France and one of them had a mother with cancer. She went into remission 3 times and lived another 5 years after being diagnosed because of the care she received. In the US she would have never been able to afford the years of chemo and treatments that she had there.
georges you have beaten the bible drum more than enough times here to give us enough to go on to believe you are a christian, correct? Well how christian is it to allow people to die because they dont have money? Ill give you a hint; it ISNT christian AT ALL. its evil
I agree that every social program has it's leeches who don't deserve the care. But think about how many people in France have lives today because of the health care they had. France has a 10.5% unemployment rate, yet you continue to harp on it like 90% of the people getting care don't work? I told you I have friends in France and one of them had a mother with cancer. She went into remission 3 times and lived another 5 years after being diagnosed because of the care she received. In the US she would have never been able to afford the years of chemo and treatments that she had there.
georges you have beaten the bible drum more than enough times here to give us enough to go on to believe you are a christian, correct? Well how christian is it to allow people to die because they dont have money? Ill give you a hint; it ISNT christian AT ALL. its evil
I haven't beaten the bible drum my dear Mariah. But I know that the very laxist french and social security healthcare system of my country has literally gone to the shitter because it was too generous with people who literally abused of it during many many years, something you are and were probably unaware of. As I told you most of the good doctors leave public hospitals for private ones so that means that even if you have no money and you will of course get a treatment in the public hospitals which is what the french healthcare system authorizes you for now (and authorized you even before) , you won't get the same quality of treatment in a public hospitals than in a private one. The best hospitals in France tend be private and the public ones have dropped in terms of quality of care and in terms of quality of doctors. Some public hospitals were declared bankrupt, one of the biggest hospitals in my region is almost closing its doors, it is the CHU of Nanterre. Now most of the best hospitals are more and more belonging to healthcare or private groups and same goes for local and national clinics.
To be clear with you,I don't go to the church unlike the bible thumpers and regular chuchgoers you like to target. The last time I went to the church was 7 years ago.
Our healthcare and social security system deficit is approaching the 4 billions of €. Besides my local taxes, add to this a 19.6% vat rate as well as my usual expenses, so I don't have an infinite budget as opposed to some billionaires. And also in France, you should know that the more you earn money, the more you pay taxes. People are getting angry in France because François Hollande's government has risen taxes in an unfair and very unreasonable way. I give money and clothes every year to the red cross as well as to poor people associations.
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I don't think this is a two sided issue at all.
If you're a citizen you have responsibility to serve on juries. If you are not a citizen, you have not right to serve. Period.
If you're a citizen you have responsibility to serve on juries. If you are not a citizen, you have not right to serve. Period.
Mariahxxx
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well georges we dont have socialized medicine and our health care costs us MUCH more of our deficit than france's not to mention the 1 million americans who's credit is ruined because of health care debt. we have entire towns declaring bankruptcy because of medical debt in their hospitals so you need to understand that something had to be done. the republicans have not offered up any answers other than keep it as it is which is a drowning system pulling more and more WORKING people down with it.
But a lot of Americans have always bought things at credit which was the worst thing to do. The more you run your finances at credit, the more you are going to get indebted and you as business woman know it but unfortunately many people didn't and don't realize that when you reimburse money, it is always with a higher percentage of interest rates. I have never seen a friendly bank and once someone is fucked financially, they will not help him or her. Yes, I am well aware that entire towns like Detroit including their hospitals have gone bankrupt, I am not denying that. I am wondering at which cost of debt your country will implement this health care system. A lot of people at the IMF are skeptical and worried about the US finances.
Mariahxxx
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yes georges and which side has allowed the credit card companies and banks to prey upon people? YOUR side. Bush signed legislation allowing credit card companies to target students. He also signed the bankruptcy reform act that was written by the largest holder of credit card debt in this country!
so please if you want to make an argument about anything I would keep away from people using credit. Bush removed the limit on interest rates for credit card companies which caused an explosion in payday advance companies that REALLy fuck the american people. and guess who finances all of those payday advance companies and owns them? Big Banks! Wells Fargo owns PayDay Advance which is the biggest in the US they have a 500% annual interest rate! Bush signed into law making it legal for companies to create databases on all americans for collection purposes. they are permitted to call your former neighbors, your co-workers and your employers to collect debt. even family members. that is 100% republican doing. and why georges? So than keep keep the working poor in their place.
so please if you want to make an argument about anything I would keep away from people using credit. Bush removed the limit on interest rates for credit card companies which caused an explosion in payday advance companies that REALLy fuck the american people. and guess who finances all of those payday advance companies and owns them? Big Banks! Wells Fargo owns PayDay Advance which is the biggest in the US they have a 500% annual interest rate! Bush signed into law making it legal for companies to create databases on all americans for collection purposes. they are permitted to call your former neighbors, your co-workers and your employers to collect debt. even family members. that is 100% republican doing. and why georges? So than keep keep the working poor in their place.
larss
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In other words, you are a selfish bastard who does not want to help his fellow man in times of distress. People, who through no fault of their own, have lost their jobs. People who work extremely hard but cannot afford private health insurance. I have no time for people who live off the system but these are by no means the majority.
That's okay, he's also naive and only really fooling himself. Privatized care is 100 times better? Ha! :1orglaugh
Healthcare isn't something that can handled effectively like a business because the consumer can't effectively "shop around". You can't do it at all in emergencies, and even when you're not dealing with an emergency you're dealing with a highly specialized field where the standard consumer can't make an informed decision because they're so far out of their depths.
So what do you get with privatized healthcare? Fucked.
You end up with adequate care where you are vastly overcharged because you've turned healthcare into a business, which means that what matters isn't giving your patients the best quality healthcare, it's ROI. What matters is giving patients as little as possible for the money they spend, because that's "good business". It's anti-capitalism and anti-American to do anything else. And of course while healthcare itself is highly regulated the pricing of it isn't. And of course no Republican seems to want this, because they believe their mystical deity, the Free Market, heals all wounds, fixes all problems and is infallible.
So yeah, adequate care with a giant price tag. But hey, your doctor will probably be able to buy a nice fancy car so it's all good, right?
Oh, and since emergency room visits are costly, and those without insurance can't be turned away... hey, you STILL end up paying for others. Usually much more in fact because emergency treatment is generally much more costly than prevention, or treating illnesses in their early stages when those patients aren't getting treatment because their conditions aren't threatening enough to warrant it, nor inconvenient enough to drive them to the doctors considering the bills they'll get stuck with. And of course putting stuff off like this is not only costly it also tends to result in a lot of, you know... deaths, but really, who cares about dead people right? The important thing is money.
Before calling me a selfish bastard, you should know the situation of my country where there is a solid 30% of people who live off the system and ride the welfare train since two or three decades. It has to cease definitively. Honesty how many percent live off the system in your country please tell me? Also by working extremely hard, it depends of what salary , what level of work experience and what kind of scholarship the person has. And sadly as it is the case, a blue collar won't have the same salary than a white collar. When people from the government are fucking up industries and take the wrong decisions or make financial frauds, they should be judged or sent in prison
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Well... everyone likes easy credit. Fast money in a pinch. To prey on people to get sucked into those huge interest rates? That's a matter of opinion. Read before you sign. Easy money to buy a house or car was way before Bush. We can't regulate people from doing stupid things. Sure the terms on these loans were outrageous but it was the people's choice to sign onto those dotted lines.
Mariahxxx
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there was a limit on the percentage permitted to be charged. Some people had no choice. it was that or lose their house or car. the worse the economy gets the more desperate people get and these companies made billions during the end of GWB and he gave them a free pass like opening the door to the chicken coup for the fox and welcoming him in.
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